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Dean Spade on Fighting Trump's Anti-Trans Attacks - Health GAP on Elimination of Global AIDS Programs by Trump Administration
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Aired on Tues., Feb. 4, 2025 on 99.5 FM WBAI/NY
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Dean Spade
Dean Spade on Fighting Trump's
Anti-Trans Attacks
In our first segment, Out-FM's Bob Lederer interviews prominent trans liberation fighter Dean Spade about the larger nefarious logic behind Trump's anti-trans attacks, and the important principles to follow when mounting resistance to them. This includes the anticipatory obedience of several hospitals which have discontinued gender-affirming care for young people -- even before any binding federal rules have forbidden that. Fortunately, as he notes, mass protests for these actions have already occurred at the New York and DC hospitals in question.
Dean Spade is an activist, attorney, educator, and public speaker who for two decades has been a leading voice for trans liberation, prison abolition, and mutual aid. He is author of the just-published Love in a F*cked-Up World: How to Build Relationships, Hook Up, and Raise Hell, Together. Earlier he wrote Mutual Aid: Building Solidarity During This Crisis (and the Next) and Normal Life: Administrative Violence, Critical Trans Politics and the Limits of the Law. He’s the director of the documentary “Pinkwashing Exposed: Seattle Fights Back!”
You can follow Dean's work at his website.


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Health GAP (Global Access Project) on Elimination of Global AIDS Programs by Trump Administration
On January 24, the State Department released a cable stopping all U.S. foreign assistance, pending a review by the U.S. government. This cable is not limited to a pause on the award of new funds, or on the release of new tranches of funding for existing, approved programs. It is also a stoppage of current programs operating in the field—now. “This is cruel—and will be devastating to the AIDS response if not immediately reversed,” said Asia Russell, Executive Director of Health GAP (Global Access Project).
Russell added: “For PEPFAR, the U.S. global AIDS program, a freeze will snatch life saving services and medicines from the hands of hundreds of millions of adults, teenagers and babies with HIV and at greatest risk of acquisition of HIV.” PEPFAR currently provides HIV treatment to 20.6 million people, HIV testing to 83.8 million people, and HIV pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP) for 2.5 million people. This stop work order requires that PEPFAR programs stop immediately. Health GAP's press release on this destructive impact is here.
To find out more about going to Washington DC for the protest at the State Department and future actions, go to bit.ly/SavePEPFAR
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Transgender History: The Important If Somewhat Bizarre Story of the Chevalier d’Éon. And Intersex 101
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Tune into Out-FM on Tues., January 28, 2025 from 8:00-9:00 pm ET, on 99.5 FM WBAI/NY
or listen live at https://www.wbai.org/ listen-live/
Sound file of the program is available below. Press play to stream or green down arrow to download mp3 file.
Transgender History: The Important If Somewhat Bizarre Story of the Chevalier d’Éon
Chevalier d'Éon Caricature
Chevalier d'Éon Fencing Performance
Intersex is not one specific thing, it's a multidimensional phenomenon found throughout nature.
Professor Carrie Gabriel Costello
Pauline Park interviews Carrie Gabriel Costello is an associate professor of sociology at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. He is also an intersex trans man. Who is married to an intersex trans woman. And we're going to talk about intersex, what it is, what it isn't. Its relationship to transgender, and what the implications are for public policy and for society.
One of the things that was constantly asserted in the recent election was that there two and only two sexes. You're assigned to a biological sex, that's it. There's no such thing as gender identity apart from the sex you're assigned at birth. But you know, both from personal experience and also from deep study and knowledge of this issue, that there are, in fact more than two sexes. In this show we’ll talk about the sex gender binary and how it's a false dichotomy.
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Costello's sociology blog, A Sociological Eye: https://asociologicaleye.blogspot.com/
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The election post discussed in the interview is on that blog here: https://asociologicaleye.blogspot.com/2024/11/How-not-to-think-about-2024-election.html
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Costello intersex blog, The Intersex Roadshow: https://intersexroadshow.blogspot.com/
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My 101 post on that blog is here: https://intersexroadshow.blogspot.com/2009/04/intersex-101_28.html
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Costello trans advocacy blog, TransFusion: https://trans-fusion.blogspot.com/
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My post about bans on trans youth playing sports: https://trans-fusion.blogspot.com/2022/03/the-real-problem-when-it-comes-to-trans.html
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Out-FM is a weekly progressive, intersectional queer show by and for the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, two-spirit, gender non-conforming, intersex, queer, and questioning communities. Our program originates from listener-sponsored, noncommercial WBAI/Pacifica Radio in New York, 99.5 FM and wbai.org. It’s also heard on Pacifica station KPFK in Los Angeles, 90.7 FM and kpfk.org. Our programs are archived at outfm.org. You can also follow us on Facebook, X and Instagram.
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